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		<title>by: ian</title>
		<link>http://www.morvenphoto.co.uk/words/2005/09/15/learning-from-photoblogging/#comment-42</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>You are something of a perfectionist and waaaay too hard on yourself - I suspect you are much kinder to others than you are to you :-)

It is virtually impossible to keep up the standard of blogging material when one posts everyday - I also had some problems regarding quality prior to starting, but like a lot of things, once one has dived in, it works out somehow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are something of a perfectionist and waaaay too hard on yourself - I suspect you are much kinder to others than you are to you <img src='http://www.morvenphoto.co.uk/words/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>It is virtually impossible to keep up the standard of blogging material when one posts everyday - I also had some problems regarding quality prior to starting, but like a lot of things, once one has dived in, it works out somehow.
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		<title>by: Rock</title>
		<link>http://www.morvenphoto.co.uk/words/2005/09/15/learning-from-photoblogging/#comment-38</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Ian, I can easily say that what I have taken from most of my fellow photobloggers is to have fun. I had fallen into a real rut where I seldom took my cameras out to play. I thought of them as the instruments of my trade. I shot for profit and not for fun. 

About eighteen months ago a couple of friends named Gary Carter and Jason Staats started becoming  immersed in photography. Jason purchased a digital SLR and Gary a Nikon 8300 (?). Both had a real passion for just shooting whatever they happened to come across. They were having fun and I was jealous because I used to do the same.

I started carrying around a little Nikon Coolpix 4300 and found that I enjoyed playing around with it. They weren't anything but snapshots but I liked what I was doing. About the same time I started looking at photoblogs. I saw people posting pictures that were far from perfect, and in some cases not even good images. Of course I also saw some spectacular images.The funny thing was that I liked looking at the work of  many of these photographers and it wasn't necesarily the work of the best photographers that I enjoyed looking at the most. Some people just had a real passion for what they were doing and others just posted pictures for the shear pleasure of it. Flickr is a wonderful example of a photographic melting pot. There are extremely talented photographers posting images and there are horrendous photographers posting images. But it just didn't matter if the pictures were good or bad, because for the most part that wasn't the point.

I've found that I can accept less then what I see as perfect images from myself. It was very hard for me to post anything at first. I'm used to shooting hundreds of images to get that one "money" shot and what I show a client can make or break a deal. I cringed when I posted my first few dozen images because I knew they were not the best I was capable of. I knew if I went back and reshot the images I posted that I could do better. 

Well, I still am far from comfortable posting most of the images I put on my sight. I struggle mightily to put some of them up. The image that will post tonight is a good example of this. It is another of my old door series. Several people had asked about seeing the door in black and white. I had shot about 100 images of the door using Kodak Plus-X 125 but I was not happy with the results. A few months ago I would not have posted one of them. Now I have the attitude of so what if they are not great art or photography - they are at least decently executed shots.

So, I'm now trying to be comfortable with showing my less then perfect and experimental work. I'm also for the most part enjoying myself. And I have shot several thousands of images that were shot for the shear hell of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian, I can easily say that what I have taken from most of my fellow photobloggers is to have fun. I had fallen into a real rut where I seldom took my cameras out to play. I thought of them as the instruments of my trade. I shot for profit and not for fun. </p>
<p>About eighteen months ago a couple of friends named Gary Carter and Jason Staats started becoming  immersed in photography. Jason purchased a digital SLR and Gary a Nikon 8300 (?). Both had a real passion for just shooting whatever they happened to come across. They were having fun and I was jealous because I used to do the same.</p>
<p>I started carrying around a little Nikon Coolpix 4300 and found that I enjoyed playing around with it. They weren&#8217;t anything but snapshots but I liked what I was doing. About the same time I started looking at photoblogs. I saw people posting pictures that were far from perfect, and in some cases not even good images. Of course I also saw some spectacular images.The funny thing was that I liked looking at the work of  many of these photographers and it wasn&#8217;t necesarily the work of the best photographers that I enjoyed looking at the most. Some people just had a real passion for what they were doing and others just posted pictures for the shear pleasure of it. Flickr is a wonderful example of a photographic melting pot. There are extremely talented photographers posting images and there are horrendous photographers posting images. But it just didn&#8217;t matter if the pictures were good or bad, because for the most part that wasn&#8217;t the point.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve found that I can accept less then what I see as perfect images from myself. It was very hard for me to post anything at first. I&#8217;m used to shooting hundreds of images to get that one &#8220;money&#8221; shot and what I show a client can make or break a deal. I cringed when I posted my first few dozen images because I knew they were not the best I was capable of. I knew if I went back and reshot the images I posted that I could do better. </p>
<p>Well, I still am far from comfortable posting most of the images I put on my sight. I struggle mightily to put some of them up. The image that will post tonight is a good example of this. It is another of my old door series. Several people had asked about seeing the door in black and white. I had shot about 100 images of the door using Kodak Plus-X 125 but I was not happy with the results. A few months ago I would not have posted one of them. Now I have the attitude of so what if they are not great art or photography - they are at least decently executed shots.</p>
<p>So, I&#8217;m now trying to be comfortable with showing my less then perfect and experimental work. I&#8217;m also for the most part enjoying myself. And I have shot several thousands of images that were shot for the shear hell of it.
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		<title>by: ian</title>
		<link>http://www.morvenphoto.co.uk/words/2005/09/15/learning-from-photoblogging/#comment-37</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.morvenphoto.co.uk/words/2005/09/15/learning-from-photoblogging/#comment-37</guid>
					<description>Jen - you should be careful - you really would not want to turn into me :-)

Funilly enough I often look at scenes and think of other bloggers also - Sidney and David often take pictures I wish I had the confidence to take.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jen - you should be careful - you really would not want to turn into me <img src='http://www.morvenphoto.co.uk/words/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Funilly enough I often look at scenes and think of other bloggers also - Sidney and David often take pictures I wish I had the confidence to take.
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		<title>by: Jen</title>
		<link>http://www.morvenphoto.co.uk/words/2005/09/15/learning-from-photoblogging/#comment-36</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.morvenphoto.co.uk/words/2005/09/15/learning-from-photoblogging/#comment-36</guid>
					<description>Ian, not just to pat you on the back,  but I've learned a lot from you. I took some photos of my blinds yesterday, and the corner of a table, hoping to see how well I could capture the texture, or adjust the depth of field. Could I make it sharp up close and blurry at the back? Normally that's not my style of photography and I quickly get bored with images like that, but you made me think! I've also learned a lot from Dave Kapp. His street portraits are phenomenal. Although I've yet to actually TAKE any, I've found myself "seeing" these untaken photographs with a photographer's eyes and filing them away in my "mental photo album," hopefully for future use when I get the courage! There are so many more, but I'd use up all your comment space if I continued!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian, not just to pat you on the back,  but I&#8217;ve learned a lot from you. I took some photos of my blinds yesterday, and the corner of a table, hoping to see how well I could capture the texture, or adjust the depth of field. Could I make it sharp up close and blurry at the back? Normally that&#8217;s not my style of photography and I quickly get bored with images like that, but you made me think! I&#8217;ve also learned a lot from Dave Kapp. His street portraits are phenomenal. Although I&#8217;ve yet to actually TAKE any, I&#8217;ve found myself &#8220;seeing&#8221; these untaken photographs with a photographer&#8217;s eyes and filing them away in my &#8220;mental photo album,&#8221; hopefully for future use when I get the courage! There are so many more, but I&#8217;d use up all your comment space if I continued!
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		<title>by: ian</title>
		<link>http://www.morvenphoto.co.uk/words/2005/09/15/learning-from-photoblogging/#comment-35</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 07:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I have had correspondence by email and Flickr mail with a number of people who have helped me and encouraged me.

The learning point mentioned in this article is an exception to the rule as discussed in &lt;a href="http://www.morvenphoto.co.uk/words/2005/09/14/why-do-we-photoblog/" rel="nofollow"&gt;yesterday's article&lt;/a&gt; which is why it is noteworthy enough for me to write this article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have had correspondence by email and Flickr mail with a number of people who have helped me and encouraged me.</p>
<p>The learning point mentioned in this article is an exception to the rule as discussed in <a href="http://www.morvenphoto.co.uk/words/2005/09/14/why-do-we-photoblog/" rel="nofollow">yesterday&#8217;s article</a> which is why it is noteworthy enough for me to write this article.
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		<title>by: jamie</title>
		<link>http://www.morvenphoto.co.uk/words/2005/09/15/learning-from-photoblogging/#comment-32</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 05:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>My "mentors," although neither are aware of it have been Alec Long @ http://www.shutterandpupil.com/  and Anand @ http://blog.anands.net/ - both have provided LONG private conversations and lots of encouragement and information.  Alec has provided the most technical information but Anand has provided the most learning (books, recommendations, programs etc). information. Both are super mentors ;p

I don't get the type of feedback you're seeming to get . . . which sort of makes me sad. Maybe I just need to say "damn it, give me real feedback today."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My &#8220;mentors,&#8221; although neither are aware of it have been Alec Long @ <a href='http://www.shutterandpupil.com/' rel='nofollow'>http://www.shutterandpupil.com/</a>  and Anand @ <a href='http://blog.anands.net/' rel='nofollow'>http://blog.anands.net/</a> - both have provided LONG private conversations and lots of encouragement and information.  Alec has provided the most technical information but Anand has provided the most learning (books, recommendations, programs etc). information. Both are super mentors ;p</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t get the type of feedback you&#8217;re seeming to get . . . which sort of makes me sad. Maybe I just need to say &#8220;damn it, give me real feedback today.&#8221;
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